| 10-9 |
| Introduction: |
| Hand # | Hand | Theme | Game | Date entered |
| 6 | 10-9 | Flop: Flopping Two Pair | Fixed Limit $5/$10 | 15-05-2002 |
| 10-9 |
| Source: This Paradise Poker hand was
posted on a Public Internet Forum. Several readers contributed to the analysis. Their
comments will be shown seperately from Our Hero's comment. Introduction: Play was a fairly typical 5/10 game, some preraising, hardly ever any reraises preflop. I won the hand, but afterwards I started thinking I could have played the hand too aggressively at the river, considering I didn't have the nuts, but not aggressive enough at the turn. However, only one hand could have beat me, but by the way the other player was raising and reraising, he could have had it. My thought process though, was that if the other raiser had the better hand, he would have raised either pre-flop, raised after the first bet on the flop, or reraised my flop raise. |
| Game ########## - $5/$10 Texas Hold'em Table "Martinique" (real money) -- Seat 5 is the button Seat 1: Player 1 ($103.50 in chips) Seat 2: Player 2 ($258 in chips) Seat 3: Our Hero ($121 in chips) Seat 4: Player 4 ($377.50 in chips) Seat 5: Player 5 ($348.50 in chips) Seat 6: Player 6 ($30 in chips) Seat 7: Player 7 ($436.50 in chips) Seat 8: Player 8 ($173 in chips) Seat 9: Player 9 ($896 in chips) Seat 10: Player 10 ($212 in chips) Player 6 : Post Small Blind ($2) Player 7 : Post Big Blind ($5) Dealing... Dealt to Our Hero [ 9h ] Dealt to Our Hero [ Tc ] Player 8 : Call ($5) Player 9 : Fold Player 10: Fold Player 1 : Call ($5) Player 2 : Fold Our Hero : Call ($5) |
| I don't like the pre-flop call. 10 9o is not a hand I would get involved with against two limpers with four people left to act behind me (including the blinds). |
| Your biggest mistake was not folding preflop. Keep playing 10-9 off from middle position and you will run out of money very quickly |
| Player 4 : Fold Player 5: Call ($5) Player 6 : Call ($3) Player 7 : Check    *** FLOP *** : [ 7h Td 9c ] Player 6 : Bet ($5) Player 7 : Fold Player 8 : Call ($5) Player 1 : Call ($5) Our Hero : Raise ($10) |
| I flopped two pair, so I have to raise. |
| From a low-limit perspective, I have a backwards issue here. It looks like with two pair and a straight-ish flop, you want to win immediately. Your raise wouldn't be expected to chase people (and didn't). Call and plan to raise the turn might have a better shot. If somebody else raises the flop, your reraise might convince some people to let the elephants fight it out. After the turn, I agree that Player 1 didn't act like someone with TT. There was enough enthusiasm showing that your reraise would probably have made money, net. |
| I don't mind your smooth call on the turn. Player 8 is likely
drawing dead, probably to a straight, and you don't want to lose him before the river. As
you found out, you have a chance to recoup the lost bets from Player 1 on the river. If I have the 2nd nuts in an online low-limit game that can only be beaten by exactly 1 combination of cards (if my opponent has exactly the two case Ts), I'm not even going to bother thinking about what my opponent has. The cap on raises heads up makes the point moot. If this were a live game, you would need to consider slowing down after you've put in another raise or two on the river, but online, it will be capped before you need to worry about that. It would be a lot different if you had the 2nd nut flush versus a potential nut flush, because in that case, the nuts can be beaten by a wider combination of hands (say K9s on a T42s board, you could be beaten by 7 hands: AQs, AJs, A8s, A7s, A6s, A5s, and A3s), so it's a lot more likely the nuts are out against you. |
| Player 5: Fold Player 6 : Call ($5) Player 8 : Call ($5) Player 1 : Call ($5)  *** TURN *** : [ 7h Td 9c ] [ 9d ] Player 6 : Bet ($10) Player 8 : Call ($10) Player 1 : Raise ($20) Our Hero : Call ($20) |
| I didn't think he had TT, figured 9x. Only called for deception purposes, figured I had the best hand. Also realized though I could get beat by not reraising. Should I have reraised? |
| Considering the board I would have reraised and made the dead draws to straights the opportunity to make a mistake and call, but that is if I felt there was a valid chance that they may otherwise a smooth call to keep them in works as well. The worst thing that could happen here is you smooth call and the original bettor folds anyway. |
| Player 6 : Call All-in ($5) Player 8 : Call ($10)  *** RIVER *** : [ 7h Td 9c 9d ] [ 3c ] Player 8 : Check Player 1 : Bet ($10) Our Hero : Raise ($20) |
| The only hand that can beat me is TT. |
| Player 8 : Fold Player 1 : Raise ($20) Our Hero : Raise ($20) |
| Very good playing I think since if you can't four bet the second best hand, then you will always be put on the nuts when you do and you will lose money since your opponents can put you on a hand. I will almost always four bet unless I am against a rock who only reraises the nuts on the river. |
| Player 1 : Call ($10) *** SUMMARY *** Pot: $127 | Side pot 1: $95 | Rake: $3 Board: [ 7h Td 9c 9d 3c ] Player 1 lost $75 [ 9s 7s ] (a full house, nines full of sevens) Player 2 didn't bet (folded) Our Hero bet $75, collected $222, net +$147 (showed hand) [ 9h Tc ] (a full house, nines full of tens) Player 4 didn't bet (folded) Player 5 lost $5 (folded) Player 6 lost $30 (showed hand) [ Ah Th ] (two pair, tens and nines) Player 7 lost $5 (folded) Player 8 lost $35 (folded) Player 9 didn't bet (folded) Player 10 didn't bet (folded) |
| As I played the hand, I never put him on a TT. Had he had the TT, I
think he would have either raised preflop, or reraised my raise on the flop. Obviously its
only a guess, but I was going off of his past actions. He normally raised to isolate
himself, or raised with a very strong hand, especially after another raise. Thus his raise
after he tripped up on the 9s. As I sit here and think further, if he had the TT, the 9 on the turn would have given him an awesome hand, 10s over 9s. Disregarding someone holding 99, he had the nuts. He would want as many players as possible, so he might not raise the turn to get as many callers as possible. Just another thought. Also, had he had the TT, that would have given me the case T. I know its possible, but it seems it wouldn't happen very often. |
| I don't know about that. There are lots of players who like to limp
in with medium pairs like TT after 1 limper (which may be correct depending on game
conditions), and there are lots of low-limit players who love to slowplay sets, even on
coordinated flops where you should expect to get action. In low-limit games, since you'll see all sorts of wacky play, I usually pay more attention to "how many ways can my opponent hold the winning hand" instead of trying to get inside my opponent's head. Who knows what could be inside your opponent's head? It can be a scary place. |
